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22 February 2011 @ 09:49 pm
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Time for more Avengers plotting because it's been nearly a week and we needed to get these thoughts organized.

Looks like, organizationally, we're hitting up against one big question that folks have had various ideas about. Formally split the team, or leave it together?

Our current roster (going from the tags on the meeting log, and if that's missing anyone, please let me know!) is Bobbi, Luke, Natasha, Spidey, Hank, Pietro, Bob, and Thor. That's pending Danny and Tony's return, of course, and I guess there are apps in the pipeline for Clint and Steve, huh? And I think Jessica might've been a maybe, depending? But right now we're looking at eight people. Just enough for a regular filter, though we've already established that Spidey and/or Hank could hack a bigger one. I think that was part of the concern surrounding a single team.

But anyway, that is 8-13 members, and that can be tough to coordinate in one fell swoop, so obviously the Avengers will rarely work together as a single mass unit and will need some degree of division.

There is a case for a New/Classic split, if we wanted to have each team focus on different purposes, one fighting street crime, the other super-crime or whatever.

Personally, I'm not really a fan of the idea because it would limit CR potential between members who'd end up on different teams. That said, I like the idea of mini-squads, where we could have different pre-defined teams for different situations and strengths, but also have everyone assigned to some kind of balanced team (i see them being made up of three or four people) where their strengths would all complement each other.

To me, the main difference between formal and organizational splits is fluidity. The divisions can't be rigid, and if someone wants to tag along with a squad they aren't a part of, or if there's some log where folks who aren't in any kind of the same squad want to do something to together, then that sort of thing should be perfectly cool. Sometimes we won't all be able to work a log when the rest of our squad wants to, or there may be other issues involved, like timezones, but this way people can play along without being too locked in, idk.

Like, the main reason we'd want to create squads would be to streamline plotting, so we could just say "oh hey this is happening, does b-squad want in on this" and easily ave that kinda thing worked out, and the fluidity comes into play when, like, someone from b-squad can't make it, or someone from c-quad wants in on it, or all we have available ic or ooc is two people from a-squad and one each from b- and c-squad. But also, since they're all still one team, you still have all these opportunities for a science squad or a flyers squad or a street squad or a strength squad without having to worry that the people on each of those squads are on separate teams. I don't know, am I babbling or does that make sense?

Also, Alex suggested we have monthly posts to give opportunity for people to change squads of whatever moving around of pieces we may be considering (though they'd be free to make that kind of move at any time, this would be kind of an extra reminder of the ability), and those would be good times to encourage prospective new members to join. I think most of us liked that one, so we'll prolly go with it, yeah?

Also, just a little reminder in case it wasn't clear, the team is also open to Young Avengers, Avengers: The Initiative, and Avengers Next cast members! We're thinking about some kind of junior/intern league (which James Rogers and Kate Bishop are currently the roster of), but we're open to hearing what kind of ideas you might have if you're interested in such a thing!

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THOR SON OF ODINgodofnicehair on February 23rd, 2011 03:03 am (UTC)
I'm fine with whatever people who have strong feelings about this decide, but I want to point out that what's being suggested, between the monthly posts and the fluidity idea, is basically that we'd have an Avengers post to figure out who's doing what for most big events anyway.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: Let's consider this.bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 03:12 am (UTC)
Well yeah, for things that need to be plotted, we'll want to do plotting. It's like Skalja said in this thread, we're not trying to eliminate plotting posts so much with these organizational deals, we're just trying to streamline them.

Basically, squads give us a base to plot from, and fluidity helps us build on top of that if we need to. If the squads work well, basically 90% of the time we might not really need to mess with how they're set up unless we're actually playing with the roster. It's mostly there for the eventuality? idk
Yami [was a stylish kid in the riot]yacchan on February 23rd, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
Lol, event book planning. Hopefully we'd handle it more smoothly than the pros.

But seriously, all of this sounds good. There's still the matter of who would make the monthly post. I kinda think it might be cool if we take it in rounds? Depending on who has time/more involvement with whatever plots are happening that month.
kate bishop ➴ hawkeyequeenofcantstfu on February 23rd, 2011 03:11 am (UTC)
iawtc.
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kate bishop ➴ hawkeyequeenofcantstfu on February 23rd, 2011 03:14 am (UTC)
Oh also I volunteer Bobbi's journal to host an IC-roster(s) once things are settled.
if (defined or != "") { print "
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I think we were gonna do googledocs, that way everyone can edit!!
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the astounding: bob ⇰ he ate my heartsupergabbie on February 23rd, 2011 03:44 am (UTC)
Bob is also on the team!

And this all sounds good to me.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: Might I just add...bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 03:57 am (UTC)
I mentioned Bob!
didn't i mention bob
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James Rogers: pic#107020056carrytheshield on February 23rd, 2011 05:04 am (UTC)
Also for the younger members/junior Avengers I assume that they'll be assigned to tag along with the grown ups?

Another interesting thing could be, like,training rotations. Basically everyone who wants to gets to have a sidekick for a while and gets to have a hand in seeing what the kids are up to/ assess their skills.

I know for some jobs you go on training rotations with more experienced people and you have to complete so many with good reviews.
Yami [was a stylish kid in the riot]yacchan on February 23rd, 2011 10:55 am (UTC)
I like this. There could even be like... An evaluation type thing in the monthly post. Nothing formal just a "KATE BISHOP BOMBED HER EVALUATION WITH CAP BECAUSE SHE HAS MONO. REACTIONS?" type thing.

But no seriously, they could be more legit than that, it's just prior to 6am and my mind is not working right right now.
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by grabthar's hammer you shall be avenged: ALL I HEAR IS CLAY AIKEN LYRICSbadumtish on February 23rd, 2011 05:39 am (UTC)
tbh while i see the justification of the new/classic split, i am kind of sick of it and so is Danny

and i agree with the squad-idea, so long as we remember to stay fluid and open with it and pretty much switch it up regularly. I know it was already stated, but I felt like stating it again. It would be a chance to develop new CR and to get the interaction between characters outside of the comics themselves, which could be interesting and fun!

As for Danny's participation, he'll join so long as he's offered.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: But there's more to it than that!bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 03:06 pm (UTC)
While switching up every now and then would be cool, I think that should largely be at the discretion of any players doing the switching. idk, I guess we'll see

But there'll be a spot for Danny when he gets back, if he wants it!
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BOOSTER GOLD: meet the king.boosterbutt on February 23rd, 2011 02:23 pm (UTC)
King, I'm honestly cool with whatever you decide, lmfao. As long as we have a functioning and organized Avengers team, let's get to it. I love your ideas and organization thoughts.
a veteran pseudo-fictioneer: disney: *flail*skalja on February 23rd, 2011 02:42 pm (UTC)
Yes THANK YOU KING FOR BRAINING FOR US
(no subject) - bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: I'm quite sure.bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm mostly trying to collect a lot of the thoughts brought out in the previous post, and I guess presenting them through the filter of my own thoughts. But it sounds like we've mostly got a consensus on it! The only person who hasn't checked in to this post yet is Alex, but she was pretty involved with the discussion these ideas came out of, and a lot of them were hers too, so idk.

I guess the next step would be laying out what kind of squads we'd want to have, and who would be on them?
incywincyhero: spidey: quippageincywincyhero on February 23rd, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
As far as squads go, maybe we should start by brainstorming the various specialties? I seem to recall Science, Strength and Stealth squads all being mentioned...

SCIENCE: Beast, Spidey, Mockingbird, Sentry (?), Tony when he comes back
STRENGTH: Sentry, Thor, Luke Cage, Jessica (?)
STEALTH: Widow, Mockingbird, Beast, Spidey in a pinch, Cap when he shows (?)
PEOPLE WHO CAN TRAVEL VERY FAR VERY FAST (i.e. flyers and speedsters): Thor, Sentry, Jessica (?), Pietro
RANGED WEAPONRY: Thor, Hawkeye II, James Rogers, Clint/Cap when they show
STREET LEVEL: Everyone who is not Thor or Sentry ... idk about Pietro's stance on street crime, actually ...
PEOPLE WITH MAGIC-BASED POWERS: Thor and Iron Fist? We're missing any actual spellcasters.
QUIPPERS: Anyone written regularly by Bendis, and also Beast.
BABYVENGERS: Do we have anyone besides James and Kate? ICly I think Spidey would try to chivvy the Spider-Babies into at least getting some training/patrol time with adults who aren't him or Daredevil, and Spider-Girl is a reserve Avenger in her universe, but OOCly I need to talk to their players, plus there's the whole issue of how recruitment works etc.

I'm sure I am failing to list obvious contenders in places 'cause I'm just going off the top of my head based on what little I know about the various characters.

Some of these specialities lend themselves well to being special squads (i.e. the first three) whereas the rest are more just categories to keep in mind when building balanced teams.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: I find myself brimming with thoughts.bluepurrymuffin on February 23rd, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC)
I wonder if Hank or Peter might qualify for Strength squad?
i know i definitely wouldn't consider hank street level though, since that has more to do with focus than capacity. maybe not natasha either, but that would be up to alex
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Mayday Parker: American Dream victory pumpsecondhandwebs on February 23rd, 2011 06:08 pm (UTC)
May would be all for being a baby!venger, though being in a different universe will do nothing to change her annoyance with bureaucracy.
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Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: Let's consider this.bluepurrymuffin on February 25th, 2011 04:03 am (UTC)
ALSO WE FORGOT HERCULES
is hercules still in the game because he hasn't really been around
Matt Murdock.mansansfear on February 25th, 2011 07:12 am (UTC)
Also is anyone gonna tag that thread...?
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: I find myself brimming with thoughts.bluepurrymuffin on February 25th, 2011 07:30 am (UTC)
The log? I guess we were stalling while we figured out what was actually happening, or something.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: Might I just add...bluepurrymuffin on February 26th, 2011 09:26 pm (UTC)
I invited Herc-mun to go ahead and toss him into it to a) help her make AC and b) add him among our ranks, if that's okay.
Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: I must take this data down immediately.bluepurrymuffin on March 4th, 2011 07:10 am (UTC)
SUP SO WE STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT HOW THE OPERATIONAL SQUADS ARE SPLIT
as they aren't the specialized squads, those don't really change unless someone quits
these are the semi-permanent fluid squads we've been talking about from the start

If we do settle on Bobbi and Luke being the leaders, they could each maybe lead their own?

Just throwing some names out here with only minimum though, but what if we did it like this to start?

SQUAD A: Bobbi, Natasha, Hank, Pietro, Thor
SQUAD B: Luke, Spidey, Bob, Herc

It does seem quite balanced, but it's just some shit I came up with off the top of my head. If we have to Hank, doesn't have to be on either, he can just handle administration and operations and shit. (but his office has to be on the ceiling to make up for the fact that he doesn't get to run around doing shit)

ADD OPINIONS HERE, TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT SQUAD YOUR CHARACTER WOULD WANT TO BE ON

Edited at 2011-03-04 07:13 am (UTC)
J. Bucky Barnes: what evendeadthenred on March 4th, 2011 07:31 am (UTC)
That is fine by me...Beck was suggesting Natasha might lead a team, but I (and she) would be cool with Bobbi. :)
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Dr. Henry Phillip McCoy: Always seem to be looking at screens.
DO NOT REPLY, THIS COMMENT IS FOR EDITTING
bluepurrymuffin on March 4th, 2011 07:12 am (UTC)
gonna put the teams here as people make choice
don't reply or i'll side-eye you into oblivion

SQUAD A:
SQUAD B: